Wee.. sounds very exciting neh!
^^

Quote by JameranXdeath is a scary thing, i'm sure. but when thinking about it, most people don't feel anything when they die, also known as suicide in this case. i guess, they don't have anything to think about when they're about to die, no one to think about or nothing to do in their life, so they just throw their life away. it's pretty sad, i think.

i would fear dying, yes. there were times in which i wanted to die, but when i put a knife in the path of my heart, i couldn't do it. it's a scary moment since all i thought about was the moments were i actually had fun in life. times in which my family was happy i was living. i always think that i was born in the wrong family but when i actually think about it, i was born in this family because it was my parents who made me. kinda sounds corney, but who cares? this is what i feel.

all in all, i fear death. the majority of people fear death. many people just want to die to end their sorrow and, others, reasons are unknown.

Well, who cares anyway!?

Some people says that it's ok to die if you have made your last will of testament.
Hehe!
But seriously, death is feared by the majority especially those who are fond of bad things,enjoying killing people, terrorizing, invading somebody's life and etc.
But death is not the end of everyhting.
Our creator gave us hope, The Ressurection Hope.
Just imagine your love one's will be ressurected and you'll be together again.
How could it happen? Sounds impossible? But true!

Quote by AutlusEven if I was anagainst PMS there still wouldn't be a bloody thing we could do about. to which I always wonder why these types of threads pop up because I find them useless and only susseced to just start up arguments against forum memebers about thier own personl view. while the big question remains, " just what are you going to do about it?" I personally find nothing wrong with PMS as long as your not a and make it your goal to get off every night with someone.

Well sharing point of views are greatly commended!
That is if the members will broaden their minds in accepting opinions other may post.
Arguements between members of the group shows that they are really convinced of what they believe in and ready to stand out on their grounds.
Always remember we are of different people with different point of view!

Quote by kokuyuthe day when all sinners (humans) have to go to God's court to decide new places for them to live, in which who should go to Heaven or hell because earth has gone into expiry date.

THe earth will expire?
What do yah mean?

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Quote by AzirkAllow me to be honest, I think that this "Armageddon" of which is spoken of will be neither glorious nor controllable. Because it'll merely be this pathetic little planet of earth being baked by a growing star, our sun. And, if we somehow managed to survive that, it'll be when the sun envelopes our entire planet, along with the four planets within the astroid belt.

And should this "Armageddon" occur as that "two thousand page sleeping pill" (as Reverend Lovejoy from the Simpsons calls it) predicts, here's what will probably be my reaction: "Oops. Well, looks like I screwed up." Then again, I'll probably look forward to seeing such people as Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar -- if he's there, he did gain power through clemancy -- Cleopatra, heck maybe even Josef Stalin.

Ooh, nice point-of-view..
Any source?
Who told yah?
It's a little bit of scary!

Quote by PlunkiesYay, Ingram once again ignoring posts to answer some other random post that he actually has an answer to. You can spew out seven paragraphs for that tiny question but you can't even acknowledge my post?

And why did it take you seven paragraphs to say "sin deteriorates DNA" and if Christ took away our sin then why did he leave our DNA screwed? Why do animals have the same problems? Do the animals sin too? Did the animals get punished along with humans? God just enjoys punishing everyone, doesn't he?

Among the post that i've read, its yours that's so interesting!
Just imagine blaming God as the One who enjoys punishing people?
How rude! Dont you know that God has his purpose and wants us to live happy?
If you'll discover it, im sure you will really appreciate God and give a two up! Do you want to know God's purpose for humans?
And do you wanna know whats the very reason why our DNA left screwed?
And why do animals die eventhough they did'nt commit original sin?

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Quote by rolsonDesign4. I believe that the only way into heaven is not by being a good person or doing lots of works, but by simply accepting God's gift of salvation through the blood that was shed on the cross by His son.

That is good news to hear, I'm sure for all the killers, rapists, etc who are in prison and have accepted Jesus.
Too bad the good people who did good deeds but don't believe in your faith must burn for all eternity.

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That's sounds great rolson and i do appreciate your opinion Yu-Huang.
But i've got this questions, Do bad people go to hell if they don't repent? What is Hell by the way? It is a fiery torment that burns wicked ones? What does the word Hell means?
Anyone?

Quote by SerpentinNo, I am not scared. Every living thing must die at some point some now some later. People never know. I don't think there's anything to be afriad of because I know it's going to happen I can't stop it so why fear the fact of death? I just accept the fact, I am afraid of leaving all my family and friends but I am not afriad of death

Yeah you've got points! Anyways, all of us die and that's normal.
But how bout the place where we're going to land if we die, do you have any idea?

Hihihi! ^^'
Si plunkies talaga,sobrahh!
Next week na me magcocomment ha!
Mwah! Mwahh! -^.^-

It feels that this thread is an arena..
Tobiasts, Persocom behave!

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Quote by tobiast88No, it does not. So, basically, your reason for being against homosexuality is written in a book written centuries ago by people with a fraction of the knowledge we have today? The reasons you give are mocking and sarcastic (something you said you never do, but since everything you say is lies anyway, I guess you're not changing a thing.) Do you actually think that people one day just go "let's piss god off - let's be gay!". Gays are born that way, and if you think it's something to be "cured", I really think you're going to fall into the deepest pit of hell for extreme intolerance when you die. "Love thy neighbour", huh? Well, only if the neighbour fits certain prerequisites. You disgust me. I'm not even going to argue with the slimy trash you brought up, it's that stupid.

By all means, move on, you intolerant, selfish, condescending bigot.

The reasons are not my own: The Top 10 Reasons To Be Gay

Intolerant? Yes indeed I am extemely intolerant of homosexuality, deceit, lust, greed, pride, selfishness... etc Including that within myself. So what if "Gays are born that way"? I am born deceitful, lustful, greedy, prideful, selfish, with every tendency to sin as well, so what difference does it make? Do you think that just by being gay makes you more sinful than me? I fight against my inborn sinful nature every day. It isn't something that can be "cured".

"Love thy neighbour", huh? God died for us when were were still sinners. What prerequisites did I posses to deserve God's love? Nothing. Because God first loved me, I will also love others.

Wow, feels like you love each other!
Continue on loving!

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Quote by khayzdeath?
isang bgAy n d ntin dpAt ktakutan kc oNce n oRAS mo n,,ORAS MO NA!
wl tyong maga2wa kung ku2nin n tyo kc xa rin nmn ang nagbigay ni2 ky xa rin ang ku2ha dba?
dpat naequipped n tyo since n nagkaisip tyo n anytime, anywhere, pwede tyong m2tay.....wl kc 2ng pinipiling araw at oras dBa..?

What is that? I cant read it, can anyone read it?

friend its a filipino language..hehehe!
I apologize for that somebody who posted it!
She said that in any moment from now we will be dying coz death doesnt choose time and place..

Quote by ibrahimmHow can anyone NOT believe in god... Lets say this:

When u c a verry old almost destroyed castle... U know its been made.. made by humans who had the technology to build it.

When u look at tree's, u think its mother nature...

When u look at the entire galaxy, do u think it hasnt been MADE?

Scientists now days are positive that the space is expanding fast. If u reverse that, space, as u know will shrink.

Shrink to 1 point. The starting point of this here entire space..

so yes, God exists and has created everything for humans

Nice point...i hope everybody has that practical and realistic mind like yours!

Quote by tobiast88You are being truly ridiculous ishimi. I have stated that I am an atheist, and that I am not "hungry in the spiritual sense". I am being realistic: there is absolutely no proof that god exists, or that a god exists, or rthat there is any higher power. YOU are the one who takes it on faith that your god is the right one. You're the one who's not being realistic.
And since I don't believe in Judgement day either, there is no reason for me to read your holy book which is a pack of legends, contradictory tales and general lies. I don't feel any particular need to abase myself to studying religion: you might want to open your mind, and finally understand that many people get along fine without religion. If you can't let go of your idiotic system of beliefs, at least acknowledge that others don't want to hear about it.

Fine, fine tobiasts if you dont want to be shared then why are you a fan of this thread?
You are always insisting that i am insisiting what i believe, my point is to share what i believe and sharing is not convincing!
Simple Advice: Find another thread or make your own if you want, leave this thread.

Quote by Persocom01 And lastly... I am a Christian of the Methodist denomination, and I recognise that even among our brothers and sisters there are disagreements on scripture, how much more true that would be between me, and you, a Jehovah's witness. Why else would there be different denominations of Christians?

Understanding this, I warn you not to be dogmatic about your own interpretations. Do you really understand everything written in the Bible so perfectly as to declare others 'correct' or 'wrong' for that matter?

I cannot argue with your own opinion, if you don't believe well fine! This forum is for all of us, to share different opinions and to stand up to what is RIGHT. You're a Christian Methodist arent you? THe word "CHRISTIAN" only implies that you believe in CHRIST,ACCEPTED CHRIST as your Messiah and FOLLOW CHRIST'S footsteps..so why does your church aren't convinced of the Bible? If you have your title as Christian then you must always be convinced that the Bible is God's Word and your teachings must be FULLY-BASED from the Bible.
And as what you've said that the Bible didn't suffice your spiritual want because you are spiritually fine then why arent you convice?
Tobiast88 my friend, you cannot deny that you are hungry in spiritual sense. You aren't earning spiritual benefits because you have spiritual doubts in your mind.
Try to be realistic,open your mind,eat your pride because that will let you fall into destruction when the day of the Lord will arrives.

I appreciate your reasons on the other way behind...

Instead of arguements lets just help each other and learn more about the Holy Scriptures.

Quote by GEEAfter reading the bible, the only promise I can find is that we all will mature, how to interpret this, is for everyone different. And the rest... there are too much contradictions on which I havent figured out a way to understand them.

Try to think the Life you have now..it will be prolonged and you will live forever only if you will understand the Bible. There's much more benefits we can gain by not only reading, understanding it but to apply it is such a vital one.

Hope you 'll find it enjoyable..
It is.. I'm sure!

And for Darkingram..haha..
He's getting better! Well, the verses that he had put and shared comes from the Bible and Bible-based literature.
Rai,humahanga talaga sila sau.. ang galing mo..
Nice start my dear!*taps back* *hugs*

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Quote by Plunkies"To trust the God of the Bible is to trust an irascible, vindictive, fierce and ever fickle and changeful master."
- Mark Twain

"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
- Albert Einstein

The murderer may exist but his act of murdering has disproven him as a decent human being. So if you could ever prove god to exist, he would be scum.

"Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world."--1 John 4:1

"Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ" --Colossians 2:8

"those bringing a man into sin by [his] word, and those who lay bait even for the one reproving in the gate, and those who push aside the righteous one with empty arguments."--Isaiah 29:21

"He that is causing the upright ones to go astray into the bad way will himself fall into his own pit, but the faultless ones themselves will come into possession of good."--Proverbs 28:10

I'm speechless..
But well, its nice to know that you are really excelling!
Nice APPLICATION! i really appreciate it a lot as well as Jehovah God!

Quote by shynakuIshima... When trying to prove that a book is not fake, don't quote the book. It's like saying I believe the sky is blue because the person down the street told me it was. It may be true that the sky is blue, but the person could also tell you that it's purple and if you've never seen the sky yourself, you would believe it purple.

And some refutes to your ideas, that bible also says that the four beasts went to the four corners of the earth, but a sphere has no corners. The earth hangs upon gravity if you want to get down to basics... But the bible makes the earth the center of the universe, so why would it need to hang on something? Other things would hang on it. A simple way to control people is make them feel like the center of everything.

Did you know that Jesus was born four time? He has four supposed birthdates, a couple years after 0AD, on 0AD, a couple years before 0AD, and about 100 years before 0AD. Obviously the book cannot be completely correct if the person can have four birthdates. But, also, I believe that it's Luke that has been proven to not be very correct in the times of which things took place, poven by the historians who are searching for a deeper faith, so they are religious and not just trying to get rid of Christianity.

The only fault I see with any prophesies is that they were already made. If people have open access to the prophesies, then they will see that their time for action has occurred. Just thinking that there is no way you could loose something because of God or Religion or anything else from that matter is enough to drastically increase the success of what you're doing. If they knew to cut off the water then just march in, then that's how they did it, because they thought that's how they would conquer it, which they then did.

Shynaku, I really appreciate your Scriptural reasoning...i dont want to have debate..
But always remember the symbolic side of the Holy Scriptures we cannot argue the symbolic side of it. Read and UNDERSTAND the Bible very well so that your doubts will be answered. I'm sure further Bible study will help you examine what the BIlble really teaches!

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Quote by DarkIngramQuote by tobiast88 And why does God even exist? You have no proof of this whatsoever except your fairytale book (rated NC-17 for excessive violence, , incest, genocide, etc). Since God does not exist - or he would have manifested himself ages ago, don't you think? No, you don't - suffering comes from our own actions, and it is up to us to take responsibility and start working on solutions - not looking to a hypothetical future where a hypothetical being will - poof! - make all our troubles go away. I know it's hard to look at cold, hard truth, but this moral crutch of yours (i.e., religion) has caused too much destruction and misery for it to go on any longer. You are applying the ethics of two thousand years ago today: is this logical?

Honestly. Do these apply to everyday life, such as other random forbiddings, like against women, homosexuals, atheists, followers of other religions, etc? (that, ironically, cause - you got it! - suffering)

Doing things that are not pleasing to God will make you suffer & have a bad effect to you....

I can say that Demons (rebellious angels) are better than you because they believe in the existence of God...

So, because I don't please a hypothetical being, bad things will happen to me... I don't believe in your narrow-minded little system of values, get that? Until whatever is up there gets its act together and actually starts caring about the world, and until it shows itself to me, I will not believe in anything as mind-blowingly foolish as "Doing things that are not pleasing to God will make you suffer & have a bad effect to you" Isn't God supposed to be love? No wait. This is the God that recommends genocide! Have you even read the book you love to quote? Get this:

"Serial genocide committed by Joshua & sanctioned by God who sends killer hail to help
Joshua 10:10-41 " �¢ï¿½�¦ slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, �¢ï¿½�¦ and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah. �¢ï¿½�¦ the Lord cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. �¢ï¿½�¦ when the Lord delivered up the Amorites �¢ï¿½�¦ until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. �¢ï¿½�¦ when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities. �¢ï¿½�¦ And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, �¢ï¿½�¦ and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: �¢ï¿½�¦ Then Joshua �¢ï¿½�¦ fought against Libnah: �¢ï¿½�¦ and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; �¢ï¿½�¦ And Joshua passed from Libnah, �¢ï¿½�¦ unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: �¢ï¿½�¦ and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. .. .Joshua passed unto Eglon, �¢ï¿½�¦ and fought against it:.And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, �¢ï¿½�¦ And Joshua went up from Eglon, �¢ï¿½�¦ And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein..And Joshua returned �¢ï¿½�¦ to Debir; and fought against it: �¢ï¿½�¦ and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: �¢ï¿½�¦ Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, �¢ï¿½�¦ Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon."

Or this:

"Exodus 20:5 & Deuteronomy 5:9 " �¢ï¿½�¦ I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

Does this sound like preventing suffering to you?

And you say I'm worse than a demon (and thank you, I'm aware they're rebellious angels. I have read your gory bedtime story) because I don't believe in your God. Wow, you sound surprisingly convincing, since I don't believe in the things anyway. Wake up! Insulting me with a fictional being is not going to convince me. And by saying those words, it sounds strangely like something you would hear from an extremist imam from Iran, although you do have a point in your favor: you're not threatening to kill me for my atheism (and does this cause suffering? Why yes!)

Some kind of COPY-PASTE..
Well, i have noticed that you are putting point for OLD TESTAMENT only, how bout the New Testament? Try to read the new testament and scan..relate it to the Old Testament so that you will not have questions that only you that bruises your head in questioning!
You will really UNDERSTAND the WHOLE Bible contents if you will read it from Genesis to Revelation. You are hungry in spiritual sense and the Bible will suffice and provide food for your hunger..
I admire your knowledge about the Bible but still you need an ACCURATE knowlegde, because obtaining accurate knowledge can 'lead you to Everlasting Life in Paradise on earth'..

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Quote by Persocom01Well I believe that sometimes kindness is born out of pain, patience from waiting, and humility from humiliation...

We aren't perfect, and if we have everything our way, it normally results in the suffering of someone else. Aren't we all selfish individuals to some extent?

I don't think you should blame God for our suffering. Imagine if someone had everything going his way... won't he be like some spoilt brat?

You dont get his point..

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And how are they 'annihilated forever'?

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." - Revelations 20:10

It says that in the lake of fire there is eternal torment in this verse. There are many verses in the Bible that do not require careful reading that refer to hell.

Reading Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 does not tell me that there is no hell. To me it merely says to me that there is nothing I can do after my death.

Do you know the origin of the teaching of Hellfire?
Don't you know that what you are believing is a misinterpretation of what really the Bible teaches.
Genesis 3:19 says that God says to Adam and Eve ,"In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."

Eccl. 9:5,10b: ..." All that your hand finds to do, do it with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol the place to which you are going."
Note that SHEOL here means where we are going,where we are to be buried..Where? Obviously GRAVEYARD!
Sheol is a hebrew term which refers not to individual burial place, but to common graveyard of dead mankind.

The term Ge'en-na is a greek term that SYMBOLIZES eternal destruction. Note that it only SYMBOLIZES..and to sybolize is not to understand it LITERALLY but it is in SPIRITUAL sense.

Quote by shynakuThe Bible isn't completely 'God's word.' Unless God has many words... The bible has changed a lot in the many a years it's been around and it's hard to trust what is and isn't real in it. 'Ye without sin cast the first stone' was most likely never said by Jesus since it wasn't in the earlier books...

Anyway, I think that God has nothing to do with earth at all. I think we help ourselves more than we get helped by God. The human body can heal itself of many illnesses such as cancer if it truly believes it's been healed. This has been demonstrated many a times by spiritual healers. We also rationalize what we see. If we see something that looks similar to something else said, then we assume that a prophesy is being fulfilled. Everyone thought that the Cold War would bring the apocalypse, but it didn't. People really thought then that the foretold end of the world was going to happen then, and people now see the end happening in another way. Reality is how we perceive it, not what it is.

The Bible is Completely God's Word,"it is inspired by Him and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight!"-1 Timothy 3:16. If its not the Word of God do you think that it will be beneficial?

if you still dont believe that the Bible is NOT COMPLETELY Word of God then just imagine how those Bible prophecy was written, and as we all notice all the prophecies that were written long time ago has its fullfilment in our times.

The Bible is accurate:

It even contains information ahead of time.For example, the book of Leviticus contained Laws for the ancient Israel for quarantine and hygiene when surrounding nations knew nothing about such matters. Another is at the time when there were wrong ideas about the shape of the earth, the Bible referred to it as circle, or sphere( Isaiah 40:22) Also the Bible accurately said that the earth 'hangs upon NOTHING.'-Job 27:6.
Sure it is not a science textbook but when it discusses about those matters it is ACCURATE. Is this not what we would expect of a book from God?

Bible is historically acurate and reliable:

All its account is specific. They include not only the names but also the ancestry of the individulas. For example Jesus Christ. His ancestral line is set out in Luke 3:23-28.
As we can saee that in contrast to historians,who do not mention the defeats of his own people, Bible writers were honest even the records of their own failings and those of their nations.Read about the failures of Moses in the Book of Numbers.(Numbers 20:1-2)

The Bible is a Book of Prophecy:

The Bible contains numerous of prophecies, many of which are already been fulfilled.
Cosider the example of the prophet Isaiah, who lived in the 18th century B.C.E.,God foretold that the City of Babylon would be destroyed.-Isaiah 13:19;14:22'23.
Details were given to show just how this would happen. Invading armies would dry up the Babylon's River and march into the City without a battle. And yet that is not all. Isaiah's prophecy even named the king who would conquer Babylon,the king was Cyprus-Isaiah 44:27-45:2.

As we've notice the babylon now is desolate because is it prophesized..and yet it its true because it will be desolated permanently.-Isaiah 13:20.

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Quote by CLAMPchicHey, DarkIngram and/or Ishimi, just wondering...are you members of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (aka Jehovah's Witnesses)?

And yes, I do believe in His promises.

Yes we are, that's why we are ministering in our own simple ways to teach and feed the people who are hungry in spiritual sense and to give Jehovah God glory!

MILLIONS have grown up without experiencing poverty. They have never had to go to bed hungry or fall asleep shivering from the cold. Still, many of those individuals feel sorry for the poor and go out of their way to help them.

Poverty, however, remains a harsh reality for people who are plagued by civil war, floods, droughts, and other problems. These factors are a nightmare to African subsistence farmers. Some have been forced to leave their homes and move to big cities or to live as refugees in a new country. Other rural dwellers move to cities because they are enticed by promises of a better life.

Overcrowded cities often become breeding grounds for poverty. There is very little space, if any at all, to plant crops. Employment is usually hard to find. Out of sheer desperation, many turn to a life of crime. City dwellers cry out for help, but human governments are unable to solve the growing problem of poverty. Referring to a United Nations report released in November 2003, The Independent of London stated: The world is getting hungrier. It added: Across the world an estimated 842 million people are today undernourished�and that figure is again climbing, with an additional 5 million hungry people every year.
A scene of poverty

The South Africa branch office of Jehovah�s Witnesses at times receives letters from poverty-stricken people. For example, a man from Bloemfontein wrote: Im unemployed, and I steal in the city whenever theres a chance. If I dont, we are hungry for days not to mention the bitter cold. There's absolutely no work. Many are roaming the streets in search of work and something to eat. I know of others who search the dustbins for food. Some commit suicide. Many like me are depressed and hopeless. It seems that there's no hope for the future. Does God, who created us with the need to eat and clothe ourselves, not see this?
PICTURES of Paradise appeal to people who live in poverty. A paradise was a reality for the first human couple, Adam and Eve. Their home was the garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:7-23) Although that Paradise was lost, belief in a future paradisein a new world without povertyis not just a dream. It is solidly based on the promises contained in the Bible.

Consider the promise that Jesus Christ made on the last day of his life on earth. One of the evildoers who died with Jesus showed faith in God�s ability to solve man's problems. He said: Jesus, remember me when you get into your kingdom.� These words show that the evildoer believed that Jesus would rule as King and that the dead would be brought back to life. Jesus answered: Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.Luke 23:42, 43.

Speaking of those who will live in Paradise, the Bible states: They will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. (Isaiah 65:21) Yes, they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making them tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken it.Micah 4:4.

Why, though, is poverty permitted to exist now? What help does God give to the poverty-stricken? When will poverty finally end?
Why Has Poverty Been Permitted?

The Paradise that Adam and Eve were placed in was lost as a result of the rebellion initiated by a wicked angel, Satan the Devil. Using a serpent as his mouthpiece, Satan seduced Eve into breaking God's law against eating the fruit of a certain tree. He deceived her into believing that independence from God would bring her a better life. When Eve offered the fruit to Adam, he too ate, turning his back on God in favor of his wife.Genesis 3:1-6; 1 Timothy 2:14.

The rebellious couple were rightly driven out of Paradise and from then on had to struggle to survive. Until today, Jehovah has allowed Satan to rule over sinful mankind, making evident the results of disobedience to God. Human history has proved that mankind cannot bring about Paradise on earth. (Jeremiah 10:23) Rather, independence from God has resulted in disastrous problems, including poverty.Ecclesiastes 8:9.

However, the poor are not left helpless in this trouble-filled world. God's inspired Word, the Bible, contains sound guidance for them.

Quote by orpheuzWell, I have fun reading your post .

Quote by DarkIngramHumans were created with free will, that is, with the ability to choose.

Agree. That's the difference of us to other living creatures. God gave us the power to decide. So it's our choice(*again a decision to make) whether to use it properly or not. Looking back at the history of mankind, human really uses his decision-making. "It's a matter of choice" why we are situated in such situation. You see, Eve can just ignored the apple and left it alone. Same as through in Adam's case. Truly, every action must be accompanied with corresponding responsibility. That's why Adam and Eve must face their consequences in the form of eviction in the paraside, aging so-on and so-forth. You may be asking why God created the so-called "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the first place? Why, can God just not create such tree so we humans can't be tempted and sinned against Him? Well, basically this is to test us, humans. Really, God can just took part in their(*Adam/Eve) lives so we can't be put in such situation. But, He wants us to live independent and as stated free-will, NOT being controlled. That's why, He allowed Adam to take care the paradise. Actually God can just take care the land but He still let Adam do the job. This points out that He not only trust us but also He wants us to be not so dependent in His power. A follow-up question, what can He do if He can't do such things? Well, he can guide us. Yes, Guide us. If you will look in the Bible, God had warned(*which means He's guiding us to the right path) us about that tree...here's what stated: "And the lord God commanded the man saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not it eat for in the day that thou eatestthereof thou shalt surely die" Gen 2:16-17. Surely, Adam and Eve were truly aware of this but they still fall in the hands of the evil one. Again, you may be asking why God hadn't stopped the two? As said, He do wants us to be independent. Not only that, He wants us to imply that our choices is our responsibility...and we have to take whatever the consequence lies ahead.

About your question, why not think that such sufferings are 'blessings'. Without sufferings, we humans can't improve and make ourselves strong as a mountain. Plus, without sufferings, what will become of the world? Surely it will be boring, no challenges and hindrances. Just think of it

Well here's a nice quote: "If you fall 10 times, stand up 11".

Nice point, you've got something productive in mind! And i really appreciate the Bible text you've shared...decisions must be take seriously and the main point there is Obedience..our first parents didnt obey God, they are being warned to that fruit(that's not an apple anyway, the Bible didnt give a specific name for that fruit),they knew what will be happening to them if they disobey, but what did they do? They still disobe God and obey the Devil..
Again their disobedience resulted sufferings of mankind
and thus we are now experiencing it.
Your point regarding your quote is nice..sufferings makes us strong...Sufferings helps us to cleave more to God and ask for His guidance, for strenght and for His Holy Spirit to guide us to make WISE decisions, decisions that willl truly give Him glory!
This will be a Good Fight againsts the Evil...if we will win, reward is at hand and we can gain everlasting life in Paradise on earth in the near future.

merged: 05-24-2006 ~ 09:23am

Quote by lapukits a question that will never be answered by anyone else. the answer can only come from deep within you, what you believe in and what faith you adhere to is what your answer will depend on..

I dont agree with you, the Bible answers that question..
Try to scan the Bible and you'll be surprise..
It depends on you if you just let your mind stay stagnant on what you believe,but if you are really interested I'm sure you'll find the answers!
I do hope that you will heed my advice...

merged: 05-24-2006 ~ 09:36am

Quote by tsukasa888Yet another strange question.
First of all, God never caused us to suffer. We made our own suffering !
And then, who do we think we are? Something higher than God so that He has obligation to prevent us from suffering?
He created us to live ! And to live means to experience joy and suffer.
So if you feel suffering, don't blame God ! Don't say "why God allow us to suffer?", because that was not His obligation from the first place.
It's our obligation to live the best we can, following His rules. Not demanding "if You really exist, then stop my suffering"

Well you're right but Darkingrams point is that; he just ask different opinions from different members..because he is aware or what is really happening nowadays..you see lot of people blamed God if ever there will be happening injustices in thier lives.
Darkingram believes in our Creator and he dont want that our Creator are to be blame in our world's injustices.

If only you get his point, he is on God's side and is ready to defend Him no matter what!

And I'm sure you too will do the same thing!

Quote by jakulitoCould you post some actual verses? Coz everything you posted where miracles and acts of Jesus. Out of context, those aren't promises but more like miracles performed by Jesus. Now are you asking if I believe in Jesus' miracles?

Now, maybe you're not quite aware of it but I'm a proud Christian and I read the bible for guidance. You don't really believe in all of those things mentioned in there, do you? Not literally, at least?

But to answer your question, maybe yes maybe no.

Nasa ang Diyos ang awa, nasa tao ang gawa.
Death Threat - Gusto kong Bumaet (1993)

Kung pipilitin ng tao, tutulong ang Panginoon.

Hey there if you wanna actual verses you can open your Bible if you have of course. If you really have read your Bible then you can be REALLY SURE about what the Only True God promises, no way for asking some questions..the fact is fact and i believe you DO believe facts of course from the Bible,the book that all Christians have..

I do agree of what you've said that gusto mong bumaet..its your own will jak, and if you want to be,its up to you,please do and act according to GOD'S REQUIREMENTS...because great reward will be at hand if you will! And this thread will serve as guide of what is really God's purpose.

merged: 05-19-2006 ~ 02:59pm

Quote by animefairyOf course, I believe in God's promises about whoever believes and has their sins forgiven does go to Heaven, and whoever sins in God's eyes go to Hell. If you read in the bible, it tells you a lot about the Day of Judgement, where the world ends and He judges people to go to Heaven or Hell. The dates are unknown. The New Testament tells you the most about it!

Well, im glad to hear it from you, that you DO believe in God's promises..and im happy that you find the Holy Scriptures so interesting regarding The Judgement Day...your idea about heaven and hell is your idea! hehe! But do you really believe that good people goes to heaven and wicked ones to hell?
What is really Heaven and Hell by the way? What the Bilble really teach about them and what is the real truth of this so called "places of mankind after they die?"
If you wanna accurate answers then just visit www.watctower.org or just simply share what you believe in this thread and we're going to find out using of course our reliable reference, The Holy Scriptures! Im looking forward for your replies...

merged: 05-19-2006 ~ 03:06pm

Quote by darkingramThere is no after life... that means, we don't have an immortal soul when we dies... If we die, our souls is also dies...

The soul dies, it does not live on after death.
(Ezekiel 18:4)

pls look on the bible about this...

Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14

According to the Holy Scriptures we Are Living Souls and if we die we are Dead Soul..Well if we die then we have no immortal soul that travels...

Hello there, I'm proud to say that I am one of the Jehovah's Witnesses..what makes me proud?
Well because I call God by his personal name,Jehovah!
If you wanna be a His close friend you can draw close to Him thru prayers and supplication..
As a Jehovah's Witness I love sharing my beliefs to others and let them know about Jehovah and his purpose to this earth!

Absolute truth is only found in the holy srciptures that is inspired by God our Creator..
Absolute kowledge plus absolute understanding equals to absolute wisdom..Absolute wisdom is to be able to use our perceptive powers carefully the ability to decide whats really right!
If only we could apprecaite how important is this absolute truth we can always be sure that our life has a purpose..yes everything has a purpose..
God has a beautiful purpose for this earth and that's the absolute truth that is written in the Bible..
Do ypu wanna know what is it?
Then try to scan the Bible and you can find it...
If you've got another question,maybe i can help you answer using the bible of course...just drop by in my UP and u'll find out more absolute truth..
Feel free to ask and maybe I can help..^_^
Just always remember that the truth..absolute truth will really set us free from all sorts of evil..deceptions and philosophical opinions!^_^
Have a nice day..Byebye!

Well..i think a freedom of speech is a freedom!hehehe!
Anyways we have different opinions and perceptions about God..
Let me ask you a question,can you imagine how the universe came?
How your brain functions?
How amazing are yhe creations that we see around us?
By that we could ask question if God o exist..is he reality or simply an illusion? A myth or simply an idea?
If there is God, why does he permits suffereing?
Hope you'll answer my question..
I'll be waiting?!^^_^

pwew!Nice repleis appreciate it so much guys...